Have you ever wondered about the incredible power of instinctual nature and the wild, divine freedom it can lead to? Well, sit tight as we unravel a captivating conversation with our special guest, Nina Powell, a woman who's made it her life's mission to help women reconnect to their bodies and instinctual nature. Nina's journey is a testament to the transformative potential that comes with reclaiming lost power, opening up to our sensual potentials, and daring to trust our instincts.
We'll be tapping into powerful conversations around the importance of prioritising our needs and wants, and the danger of falling into the people-pleasing trap. Nina will enlighten us on how slowing down and paying attention to our desires can breathe new life into our daily existence. You'll understand how to overcome fear, create authentic conversations and build connections through open communication.
Towards the end of our discussion, we take a detour into the wild and divine journey that has shaped Nina into the healer and guide she is today. She'll share about her experiences with breathwork-based practices and an enlightening ikung practice from a desert tribe. As she prepares to launch her membership program and offer both in-person and online experiences, be prepared for a dose of inspiration on how to activate your sensuality and embrace your wild divinity. This isn't simply an episode; it's an invitation to live a life that's truly your own.
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Have you ever wondered about the incredible power of instinctual nature and the wild, divine freedom it can lead to? Well, sit tight as we unravel a captivating conversation with our special guest, Nina Powell, a woman who's made it her life's mission to help women reconnect to their bodies and instinctual nature. Nina's journey is a testament to the transformative potential that comes with reclaiming lost power, opening up to our sensual potentials, and daring to trust our instincts.
We'll be tapping into powerful conversations around the importance of prioritising our needs and wants, and the danger of falling into the people-pleasing trap. Nina will enlighten us on how slowing down and paying attention to our desires can breathe new life into our daily existence. You'll understand how to overcome fear, create authentic conversations and build connections through open communication.
Towards the end of our discussion, we take a detour into the wild and divine journey that has shaped Nina into the healer and guide she is today. She'll share about her experiences with breathwork-based practices and an enlightening ikung practice from a desert tribe. As she prepares to launch her membership program and offer both in-person and online experiences, be prepared for a dose of inspiration on how to activate your sensuality and embrace your wild divinity. This isn't simply an episode; it's an invitation to live a life that's truly your own.
Nina's bio:
Nina is a healer and guide who supports women to find clarity and power so women begin living the life that they desire, that feels rightful and is Wildly Divine and Orgasmic.
Your host:
Tarisha Tourok is the founder of the Sexually Empowered Radiant Woman movement where women learn how to become radiant, confident and own the power and beauty of their sexuality no matter their size, shape, age or race.
FREE WEBINAR: Women Over 40: Discover 5 Keys to Unlock Your Desire So You Enjoy Heart-Melting Intimacy
This is perfect for women who are in a relationship and feel frustrated with their love life, are single and don't want to repeat past hurtful patterns where they lose themselves and their voice, and women who want to feel confident expressing their longings and desires
Join Free Online where you'll learn 5 obstacles to your desire and 5 actionable strategies to activate your desire so you stop feeling frustrated with your love life www.shedesires.live
Visit our website at www.radiantwoman.co.nz to join the Radiant Woman movement.
I don't know the difference between right and wrong, only wrong and fun, which I don't know. I just like really got me oh my. God. What if there's only a problem between wrong and fun? There's no such thing as right and wrong.
Speaker 2:That is so good. Welcome to the Radiant Woman podcast, where women learn how to become radiant, confident and own the power and beauty of their sexuality, no matter their size, shape, age or race. Your host is Tadisha Tarok. Visit our website at wwwradientwomanconz to join the Radiant Woman movement. I would love to hear you with us. Welcome everyone to this episode and today I'm so happy to talk to Nina Powell, and we've been knowing each other for quite a while, did some stuff together, and Nina, she's a healer and she's a guide who supports women to find clarity and power right, so that women start to begin to live the life they deserve, the desire that feels rightful and how she says, wildly divine and orgasmic. So I'd love to ask you about that, nina. And Nina does this by helping women to reconnect to their bodies so we can start trusting ourselves, trusting our intuition. And so, through working with Nina, women find freedom, they activate their spiritual gifts, they reclaim their lost power and open to their sexual and sensual potentials. So welcome Nina, it's nice to have you here.
Speaker 1:Thank you so much. I love how you introduced me there, beautiful.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so yeah, we can just dive right in now. And I wonder what you mean when you talk about wildly divine and orgasmic life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, those are the words that really came to me. I was like what is this energy that I'm bringing with people, like what is it that happens when they work with me? What is this like vision? And so for me it's like that wildly. Is that like really rewilding, under-mesticating yourself so that your conditioning and your trauma and like all this stuff that's not you gets transformed, transmuted, released, liberated and you start to live more your own, your own journey, instead of the journey. That's about that.
Speaker 1:That's very, you know, centered in this, like survival, thinking, like our fear around, like what will happen if I leave my part? I'll be all alone, or what will happen if I follow my dreams. So that wildly thing for me is that like trusting that part of you within that actual part that gets shut down over time and you, like, you feel this pull, like you have these impulses and it's like learning to start to like trust these impulses that they're going to give you more life. It's like following the life force is also how I think of it. It's like a tree.
Speaker 2:It's like a tree. It's like a tree moving towards the light, yeah, yeah, it's like a tree moving towards the body. It's not just, it's not the head thing right, it's more the body thing.
Speaker 1:It's the body. It's like totally the body as we're talking here, I'm thinking like a tree will move towards the light. It just like naturally does. It doesn't have this mind that gets in the way and says no, no, no, that would be not so sensible to move towards the light, I should stay in the dark and settle with what I have. It's like it naturally has this instinct. And so, yeah, the wildly part for me is very much around that, like through the body, that feeling, and like trust it, like learning to trust yourself and trust your instincts, that those feelings that you have, and not let the mind take over and rationalize and talk you out of it. We're so good at that.
Speaker 2:Well, once you worked with people, what hit the result of when women actually start to listen to that and that start to follow that? Because I didn't imagine, like lots of listeners like oh, but that's a bit scary, right Like what yeah? I know, but what the result? What have you actually seen happen for women?
Speaker 1:Well, as you're talking there, the first thing that comes up is around this like people pleasing that woman do so there's so often like so, for an example, would be one of my clients in relationship and married for the odd years and have got to this point where she just wasn't feeling that pull towards her partner. Like actually, when he came to the room she was like pulling away, yeah. But wondering if she was told by a counselor, oh you should probably have a separation. I'm like, well, how is that going to like help with the relationship in the long run? But surely if you want it to work, you're going to have to work out how to make it work in the relationship.
Speaker 1:And so she really had a desire for the marriage to work, like she still knew there was love there. So it was like this desire, but her body was completely not doing like reacting in the way that was Was supporting that desire to have the relationship work, and a big part of it for her was this people pleasing, right. So she was constantly overriding what her body wanted. Like she wanted to go for a walk on her own in the morning but he wanted to come like, oh, let's go for a walk together. So she would put on her headphones and be on the walk but not be connected.
Speaker 1:And so she's just constantly that little bit of people pleasing rather than being clear. No, I want this time for myself, but later I would love to have breakfast with you. So in that way it's like following the life force. It's like allowing the life force to fully bloom and come into like the desire, and so she gets to go for a walk and then her life force is like fully alive in her instinct is to go for a walk on her own in the morning and have that time, and then, when she tunes into what she wants with her partner, I would love to sit down and connect with you at the start of the day, so that also has life force. So I feel like it's. Sometimes it's so simple and some of the things are much.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, but it's not quite simple. But following it and like what, if I hear right, yeah, don't follow it, then it's almost like there's like a shutdown in the body, like something kind of that's life force, and the opposite is kind of there's just nothing moving. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And that builds up over time and it creates, hardening and armoring and like, bit by bit, the life force is gone and she really had lost her joy like big time.
Speaker 2:That's actually really struggling.
Speaker 1:Should I leave my partner? Should I quit my job? Like it gets like, because we're in the life, force is so blocked and has been for a while, you really start to wonder about running away from everything. But that's not necessarily your highest expression, that's just a survival response Fight, flight. Okay, this is shit I'm going to do a run, yeah, so I wonder.
Speaker 2:And so, right, if, like, there are other women right that are listening? So what are the steps? What could they do if they really feel that like there's no joy, right, I'm kind of all the to-do lists, just doing everything that everyone else wants me and there's nothing in here for me. What can they actually do? How can they start on this journey?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean it's so much as coming back to that, trusting yourself and what you need and what you want, and allowing that life force to give you something that I think everyone actually does already have these instincts. I find that's mostly what I'm doing is reflecting back to people. You said this, did you notice that? You just said that? Or you know, if only I could have a little bit of time for myself. Or if only it's amazing if you can just give those those things.
Speaker 1:I think giving those things attention first and letting go of the big thing, which is like, oh my god, should I stay, should I go, getting really caught up in the big, big decision? I think you need to attend to your own personal self first and come into a place of peace.
Speaker 2:That's a big thing. So, rather than because that's where women go, right, I have to solve my life now. But what I hear you say is slow it down and pay attention, actually, moment by moment, what's there for me, rather than trying to figure out, because that's figuring out the life is kind of get stuck in the head. But actually what, moment by moment? What do I want? And women do know that. It's not like we don't have it, we do have it. It's more that we don't pay attention to that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and we don't allow ourselves, don't give permission.
Speaker 1:I think you know of a lady told me a story once where she was doing some personal work, personal growth work, and she just like no longer wanted to cook. She's like, hey, she just don't want to cook. Like she could, she could cook a soup in the blender or whatever, fine, but anything else she just had no desire for anymore. And for years she'd been like forcing herself I've got to take care of my family, I've got to do this. And bitterness was just building and somebody, just that she was working with this, gave her permission don't cook, just don't do it. And and her husband every week was like do you want to cook yet? And she's like no, not yet. And what about this week? No, not yet. And they all got on okay, they can eat soup. And he stepped up if he wanted to eat something else. And and it's like this sort of permission and through that, then the love can come back together.
Speaker 2:But otherwise, if you just keep carrying these, like you create bitterness, like you're over giving, it's amazing how I think these simple things where you just like you know you like I don't want to do that thing anymore, or like I really want to do this thing, yeah but I guess then the deal, like I hear my women right, like women saying well, actually, but if I don't cook, if I don't clean, then no one is gonna do it and how we're gonna like the whole life is gonna collapse, because I think they said quite that lies on the women and where women feel resentful I can't take care of the daily life and that's where we cut down ourselves. But it's kind of somehow both need to be done.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like so how is it gonna work? Yeah, so, but then I think that is a different question. It's more like this is creating a real heaviness for me what do I need? It might be that it might be that, like this, is the only thing I can only do soup for now, and it's okay, so I'm just gonna do so.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna make cooking simple this is like you're saying a big thing. So first we actually open up to desires and then we figure out the how peace rather than right away going into the how peace, and then we're like I can't, don't figure out my desires yeah, yeah, because you gotta have your rant first.
Speaker 1:I sometimes do quite a fun exercise with people, which I really love because I have a lot of trickstery energy in me. Like I really I have this saying that a friend used to have on the email sign off that I just adored, which was I don't know the difference between right and wrong, only wrong and fun. So which I don't know. I just like really got me. It's like, oh my god, like what if, like there's only a problem between wrong and fun, not like there's no such thing as right and wrong? That is so good, yeah, so I love. What I like to do, which is quite fun, is to is to get yourself a piece of paper and just like write down all the things. Like if you could have anything you want, like completely wildly ridiculously, like I want to have eight people serve me breakfast and massage my feet, like whatever the hell.
Speaker 1:It is like just yeah and let yourself be this trickster playful, like already we're laughing. It's like it brings a lightness to all this, like weight of God. Life feels so heavy. Oh, this is like I'm dragging myself. I'm on the hips to wheel, I'm just going round and round and this is painful and I'm dying and I'm dying.
Speaker 2:And it's quite repetitive violence here and it's kind of like a bit boring.
Speaker 1:I even like the voice and I hear women talking yeah yeah, it's like you're getting into this, like you just yeah, it's like you could feel it straight away and so starting to play around with being the trickster and just letting yourself outpour some of these things, it's amazing how that starts to free up the energy and then the how of like how to actually start to create more alignment does actually often start to drop in, and it would possibly be a bit more playful and rather than a really like boring dead how that feels heavy. There might be a bit more creativity that could come in to solve some of these problems. And won't necessarily be that you get your eight people to serve your breakfast while massaging, but maybe you get it once and it just like lights up your whole month and then for the rest of the month you're just like in heaven, happy to serve breakfast for your family. You know, whatever the thing is, you know.
Speaker 2:This is so beautiful, right, and it's kind of putting that playfulness, attention to our desires, like I love the trickster piece. It's not, we're not being serious about it, it's not like a very serious matter. I have to sort out my life now and figure out my desires. But actually what if I play with that and just desire whatever and go overboard with it doesn't mean that it needs to happen. But then that that how, if we put that playfulness because that's quite often I see we get stuck, are going into the how and then it's like, well, I don't know how, so I'm not even gonna open up to desires but actually does somehow like we can work it out.
Speaker 2:It's not as difficult, it's not as heavy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and like it's not such a big thing, like we get so worried about other people's emotions and feelings, like this client which she's like so worried about saying to her husband I want to have a walk on my own. It's like he is a grown up, he is an adult, he will be okay.
Speaker 2:Cause that's a big piece, right, like what I hear my women like. They also go like, yeah, but I don't want to hurt others, or like they can't, which it's not quite quite the true story, right, it's not, it's not. So what can you kind of? If you talk about that a bit, I'd like to know your opinion on this too.
Speaker 1:But what, how I see it is actually sometimes we're we're afraid of rocking the boat and like what might happen emotionally, like in them. So we're actually more afraid of how it's gonna feel for us to tell them than we are really concerned about their feelings. Like it's more like I'm scared to open my mouth cause I don't know if I have the capacity to hold the space or to reaction. You know, like I might be, like you're actually more scared of their reaction than you are really scared about, like worried about their feelings.
Speaker 1:I think that is honestly, a lot of the time, the truth, because, like, who wants to create a space where it's like kind of average, when you could really create something that feels like that hell yes, space where it's really like you're both fully on board, it just feels energetically so much more like amazing. Like if you're giving somebody a message and you're massaging their feet and they love like it's like the place of their body that is just like heaven and they're like making those sounds of appreciation and they're just like having the most amazing message. Versus maybe you start to like massage their shoulders and the pressure isn't how they like it and they're like sort of like grateful, but they don't really love it. It just doesn't have. No one really gets the pleasure.
Speaker 2:So the idea, the idea.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so the idea of like tolerating things to protect somebody else's feelings is actually really a disservice to both of you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, I guess I talk about it in terms of, like I've got that when I do my body blueprints, there's the plaza blueprint and it's almost like and I know it's kind of hush a bit. I don't know if it's hush, but it's that. It's kind of, when we please, it's our passive manipulation. We kind of want to get the love and affection. So we think if I actually please you and I do that for you, then you're gonna love me and provide for me or do whatever I need. But we do it. And then when the resentment comes up because that's the sign of me that actually when I was giving it wasn't because I love you and because it brings me joy, but actually now I feel like I expect something of you and that resentment is actually quite telling that it wasn't from the pure heart. But then the resentment really kind of brings that life force, like yeah yeah, and there's some insulation aspect to that which is not easy for the pleasants in us to hear.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and it's interesting because you're like you're training a background is more like with the therapies that you use. So you're looking more from this, that lens, which is super interesting to me, and I see it more from like the body lens and the capacity of the nervous system. So it's like that, both together, that yeah, like you want something and also you are afraid of like the energy that's going to be created in that moment. And it's like the nervous system and the body is like tensing around doing this thing. It's like standing on the edge of a cliff and you're like, should I jump, should I not? And you're like I'll just walk back from the edge rather than just like being brave and like putting yourself in there and having the conversation and just seeing, and it's like so life force giving it can just completely change relationships.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, it's like it's now like sitting with it's. That fear is so intense and I've just been going through a period where I would hurt in my family, right by my father, and I was like I really need to speak to that. But then my mind goes like, well, I don't want to hear the feelings, I think he might not be able to take it. And when I actually sat with myself I was like I'm actually terrified how I'm going to handle it and how I'm going to handle his reaction.
Speaker 2:So trying to protect them is kind of it's quite on a surface level but deep inside, like whoa, that terrace on your side. So I wonder what can you talk kind of what can you say about that, when it's like I want to speak about the terrace, almost like whoa.
Speaker 1:I don't know if I can like what's yeah, it's like how do you create safety, you know, how can you make it, how can you make it feel safer for you Ultimately? And like, what is the conversation that you have first? Or like, how do you, how do you feel more supported and resourced in that moment when you're having that conversation? Or I guess every situation is different, like with your father. There could be different support, you know, if you had somebody else there with you. Or like where you have the conversation, where, where you might feel like it's a safer space for you to bend, somewhere, that you naturally feel more relaxed how to actually create the safety for yourself.
Speaker 2:Not kind of jump or cliff but like a balloon or something right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, totally yeah, yeah, you want to be like loving as possible and and it's also like we can stay. You know, as we are like so I've got moved my hands people that listening to the audio here but you know we can stay. As you know, those kids toys that have like, when you bring them together they're small and then when you expand them out they become this like big ball and they have this like yeah, and then this big ball I think they're made out of some, not like a Lego, but like this plastic stretch yeah kind of stretchy thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so we can stay like this. The ball in the middle is like us as we are and we can somehow lovingly we to expand into the fullness of our expression. We want to like take ourselves like towards that edge but and work with like going a little bit more like like a little bit more scary, like a little a little like step. But if you go straight out like over the edge, you get overwhelmed and then it's just too much and it's like chaos and shut down and so that's an impact Making the kind of more the little step rather than actually I'm going to jump off that cliff because that was well.
Speaker 1:So it's like choosing the thing, like if you really kept quiet about things in your relationship for a really long time, it's like, well, what is the what is like one thing that I could start to open up about.
Speaker 2:What is kind of the one, the safest kind of. The easiest thing is to tell and try it out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. And then you do it and you're like, okay, I'm okay, I didn't die, we're still together, it didn't end oh wow, I can do that, yeah, and then you have a big breath out and you're like I could do that, and then it's, and then you could start to, you know, start to slowly have more conversations and then, over time, it becomes more natural to share how you feel.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I guess it's like children right when they start, because they sit, then they crawl right, then they take little steps, then they start running, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:And I think the other thing is really around communication too, isn't it? It's like telling somebody what to do or what not to do is very different from expressing how you feel, or like your desire, like I really desire to have a bath on my own and just like some canism music. Can you give me the space to do that? Like it's very different to don't come to the bathroom for the next hour, or yeah, or don't come for a walk with me. It's very different. That, then, the energy of like sharing how you feel, and I can really have this desire to have this moment, it's going to really support me in my day and it just really will fill me up and sharing.
Speaker 1:That is different.
Speaker 2:And that's because I had a session with my women, with my group of women, yesterday, and we were really talking about the longing for the desires and then, when they could really drop into it, there was just so much pleasure and they were just feeling the desire, like nothing was there yet, but they had so much and they were so just open and they said it was like like we were having this delicious dessert together, just sharing our desires. But this hard openness and dropping rather than the to-do list, the laundry list for my partner right, this is what you need to do for me, but actually quite a different sense. I wonder if you can say like I love that.
Speaker 1:I love that you said that like having a dessert together, because I think that is like when you bring that, that is like bringing a dessert to your partner, you know, and that is so different then to do list, like bringing your pleasure and your dessert, you're like sharing your dessert and you're letting them have a little flavor, a little taste of it and so looking at you again, I just so women get that. But now as you speak right.
Speaker 1:It's kind of coming more from the belly right from our like yeah, from your sex, from your body, from your belly, for your breast, everything is more like awake and alive flowing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, because that's the fear women have. If I share to my partner's, gonna feel like, well, this is too much, you know, and they kind of they feel them the rejection the women feel rejection that's what women are afraid of, very vulnerable yeah, it is vulnerable sharing from our heart there is, there is a from our truth.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it is so vulnerable, but ultimately you are the one who chooses how you want to have a relationship, and if you want a relationship that feels connected, then it takes vulnerability. So I think it's like choosing, like, like what is it that I really want? Like, do I want connection, do I want that flow of energy? And then it's like well, here we go. I mean, I, I speak to that it's quite like connected. And for me because in my previous now I've been with my partner for 10 years, but prior to that I was married, and that relationship I always held back what was on my heart, partly because he had a big temper and it felt like I was walking on eggshells a lot. So I think I like didn't feel safe. But ultimately, what started happening is it actually killed the relationship, because my heart just closed off and off and off, so when it ended, it was already dead.
Speaker 1:So, and when I met my current partner a few years later, I made a commitment to always share what was on my heart, like to be honest, and it was really hard, like I remember you know the like one the first time that something came up that it felt like okay, this is something I need to talk about.
Speaker 1:I think it was something around like other woman in his life and just we needed to create some safety and containers around, like him having lunch dates with female friends, and I just wanted to know where we were at with all of that, whether what was the energy that he was bringing to these meetings.
Speaker 1:And, yeah, I didn't feel safe. It was like this, like, oh, I don't know what's going on here, and so I had to have this conversation and it was hard. It was so hard I'm even getting, yeah, thinking about it, because it was really. It felt like a really courageous thing to do, but I'd made that commitment to always share what was on my heart because I knew if I didn't, it killed a relationship and I was like, well, I don't want to kill this. Amazing about like the most right that I've ever felt with a partner, and I was like I do not want to kill this. So that is something that I committed to doing is to sharing what was on my heart, things that were important for us, that I would always share so it's so it's.
Speaker 2:So the intention right, it's kind of the intention is not to share and just put something on your partner, but actually in service of the connection and service of love, of the real life, in the relationship inside yourself yeah which means in service, to stay and open.
Speaker 1:It's like, if this is shutting off my life force and doing something to our connection, then this is what I'm here for. It's like, yeah, and I and I think that's that, that, that people, please, are like thinking we're doing it to help others. It's like, yeah, is this in service to deep connection or to being open? Am I having to armor and armor myself, just to like is there a hardening happening?
Speaker 2:yeah, that's a big piece I'd like to check in with the intention, and intention is to actually create more connection than yeah you kind of need to find the courage and go forward with that yeah, it is, and it takes courage, it does tell me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I wonder just one last question no, no, no, we can talk and talk and so nice, yeah, but there's one question, because I just heard the session yesterday and it's been alive, like in women's. There's this piece where women open up their hearts and their partner is not quite receiving them the way they want and they kind of get hurt. And then what women do? They close their hearts and their bodies and they kind of justify it's like well, because he didn't do the right thing, and just wonder what can you say about that?
Speaker 1:it's like just like first feeling that you know it's like oh so vulnerable. Isn't it to open up your heart and to share and then have it shut down and I think we all do it to our partners at different times it was happening in that moment, like you know, were they in full presence? Or did you just like share something without creating the environment for it to be properly heard? Because I think sometimes that can happen. It could be a big thing to say so. You like say something, you finally get it out and it's not received, but maybe because you didn't say, hey, when would be a good time, I would like to talk to you about something, when would be a good time for you? And and then you're actually calling in presence into the moment.
Speaker 1:That's definitely something that I think would happen a lot. I mean, I've even done that with my partner. He's like blurted something out, you know, while I'm driving, and I don't have a presence and I just don't respond in the way that he would like me to be there for him either. So I think it can go. It can go both ways.
Speaker 2:I think, yeah, but then what would you say, right, when it happened? And then cause what I see women do, they kind of shut down and they say, well, he can't receive me, so I'm not going to even try again. That's why I see like, ah, it's kind of painful for both.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. I mean it's like well, how can you create the environment? Like, was there something else? Some I would always try that first, like getting curious about, like, what was actually going on, cause ultimately we want to love each other. Like I don't believe that people are not wanting that, like who doesn't want their partner to open to them and share their heart and soul with them, and yeah, beautiful, like at the base of it.
Speaker 2:We all want to love and be loved. Yeah, keep it in mind.
Speaker 1:It's such a core thing being a human. So I think it's about like working it out. I think it's about like creating, like trying things, like okay, so what environment? Could I create a different environment so that I might actually have the space where this is like? It's like the you know, the amazing dinner you're going to have and you might, you know, get dressed and you have a bath beforehand, or you know, there's like preparation.
Speaker 1:It's like you're really sharing something that's important. Then giving it the respect and honor in the space to share it, to have that conversation, I think is is really important. And then it's like, well, if they didn't respond, did you ask? Did you, were you clear with them, what kind of response you were looking for? Like, if they you know, quite often the male brain wants to go into problem solving and maybe you didn't if that's not what you wanted, did you? Did you tell them that that's that what, what it was that you did want? Or did you just get frustrated that they didn't give you? You know, give you what you wanted? It's like we can't be mind readers and yeah, and I think, if we're remembering that, like, we do want love and connection.
Speaker 2:Well, sometimes humans do make mistakes. Right. We can reach other, Like it does happen. But I think it's that intention kind of the tension, the goodness of it, and I mean, yeah, I know, plenty of people with my sometimes walkward communication. It just happens, yeah, we we screwed up, we're starting the trance and giving each other another kind of studying, I don't know, kind of studying again or like opening up again and trying again, rather than like nah, and I'm not going to go there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, because that's basically saying it's over, isn't it?
Speaker 2:That's saying it's over, yeah.
Speaker 1:And it's like if you really want to do that, or is it more like you're in a child just having a bit of a tantrum and it's actually want something else, which is which is actually to be seen and heard and loved and understood, and it's like yeah yeah, because, yeah, I was thinking of something else then around that ultimately being loved and creating the, creating the space.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's definitely something around like being clear with each other about what it is that you're looking for, isn't there. You know, in terms of when you're sharing something, it's like I really like I really want to share this thing and it's been something that's really hard for me and I just want you to tell me it's all okay and give me a hug. I just need to be held. This is just like big. Can you, can you do that for me?
Speaker 2:Or can you?
Speaker 1:help me solve this problem is like different. Or or like I've got this thing that's going on, like I really would like to work together with you to try and find a way through together. Or it's very like there's lots of different things that you might want from sharing with somebody.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah Well, thank you, Nina. It's been a nice, really nice conversation. I wonder if you can tell a little bit about what you are up to and how people can find you so they can get into your world of the wild, the divine and orgasmic life. Yes, we don't even get to the divine or the orgasmic. That's for next episode.
Speaker 1:It'll be divine, yeah totally yes, so you can get into my world through my website, that, or social media, as tends to be where you can find me, and also at the moment I'm what is the website?
Speaker 1:Oh, so my website is Nina Powellcom so simple and actually, at the moment, I'm really excited because I'm creating something that is going to be in person in Wanaka but is also going to end up being online and experienced to, which is this beautiful practice that really helps you to tap back into your power and realignment in your own body and energetic system and activate sensuality. So it's a breathwork based practice. It's this shape shifting practice that's like, rooted in ancient traditions all around the world. Like I found all this evidence, something that I have developed over time through my own practice, and I'm going to be creating a membership where we're going to be doing these practices and really diving into this activation of who you are.
Speaker 1:One of the places that I found a very similar practice is actually the tribe in the desert, and they talk about this practice called ikung, which sounds like so similar to what I've been working with for years, and one of the lines one of the people there was saying I need to dance again because I need to become myself again, and it's this thing, yeah, so they do this practice to become yourself again and yeah, I'm opening up this journey for women to join, so I would, yeah, if anyone would like to find out more about that, please do, please do reach out and I would love to have you with us, and there'll be some traveling around New Zealand live experiences, as well as the online things.
Speaker 1:So, yes, definitely, I'm definitely going to come up. Yeah, thank you. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2:It's so good. And yeah to all the listeners and I'll put the links in the show notes but you can find Nina Powell and it's double Lcom and yeah, I'll see it.