When the universe hands us a compass to navigate the complexities of our inner landscape, it's a true gift. In today's episode, the remarkable Claire Babich, a seasoned teacher and shamanic practitioner, joins me to offer just that.
Together, we unravel the threads of masculine energy's evolution towards the "courageous heart," a concept that invites us to lead with vulnerability and strength.
Claire generously opens up about her transformative journey through grief after her husband's passing, a story that serves as a beacon for those seeking to understand the delicate interplay of masculine and feminine forces within.
Have you ever considered that activism begins with the self?
This episode is a testament to the power of self-love as a catalyst for change. As we tear down the notion that we are merely thinking beings, Claire and I investigate the energetic blueprints that make us unique.
Through an exploration of our personal balance points, we offer insights into how we can lead from various energetic centres – whether it be the womb's wisdom or the courageous heart – to release trauma and find harmony within.
Learn how somatic work and grounding practices can help you walk in alignment with your deepest self-awareness.
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Tarisha Tourok is the founder of the Sexually Empowered Radiant Woman movement where women learn how to become radiant, confident and own the power and beauty of their sexuality no matter their size, shape, age or race.
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When the universe hands us a compass to navigate the complexities of our inner landscape, it's a true gift. In today's episode, the remarkable Claire Babich, a seasoned teacher and shamanic practitioner, joins me to offer just that.
Together, we unravel the threads of masculine energy's evolution towards the "courageous heart," a concept that invites us to lead with vulnerability and strength.
Claire generously opens up about her transformative journey through grief after her husband's passing, a story that serves as a beacon for those seeking to understand the delicate interplay of masculine and feminine forces within.
Have you ever considered that activism begins with the self?
This episode is a testament to the power of self-love as a catalyst for change. As we tear down the notion that we are merely thinking beings, Claire and I investigate the energetic blueprints that make us unique.
Through an exploration of our personal balance points, we offer insights into how we can lead from various energetic centres – whether it be the womb's wisdom or the courageous heart – to release trauma and find harmony within.
Learn how somatic work and grounding practices can help you walk in alignment with your deepest self-awareness.
Your host:
Tarisha Tourok is the founder of the Sexually Empowered Radiant Woman movement where women learn how to become radiant, confident and own the power and beauty of their sexuality no matter their size, shape, age or race.
FREE WEBINAR: Women Over 40: Discover 5 Keys to Unlock Your Desire So You Enjoy Heart-Melting Intimacy
This is perfect for women who are in a relationship and feel frustrated with their love life, are single and don't want to repeat past hurtful patterns where they lose themselves and their voice, and women who want to feel confident expressing their longings and desires
Join Free Online where you'll learn 5 obstacles to your desire and 5 actionable strategies to activate your desire so you stop feeling frustrated with your love life www.shedesires.live
Visit our website at www.radiantwoman.co.nz to join the Radiant Woman movement.
I would say that the masculine we're moving towards is the masculine of the courageous heart.
Speaker 2:Right, courageous heart yeah.
Speaker 1:So my personal view is that the courageous heart, the masculine, is coming through from that space.
Speaker 2:I'm very excited today to be talking to Claire Babich, and she's a teacher. She's a fertility titan, energy worker, healer and a shamanic practitioner, which I really love the shamanic star. She's therapist and a coach, and what I really enjoyed reading in your biome play is that she helps people to take the handbrake off when they're wanting to take their life to the next step. I would really love you to, Claire today, tell us the first steps of how can we take the handbrake off. I'm quite excited about this conversation, thank you.
Speaker 1:Oh no, I find that well. Firstly, thanks ever so much for having a conversation. I love having a conversation, of flowing with energy, so this is a lovely opportunity For me. I just find that's the thing that when I can be sat on the bus oh sorry, can you hear? The dog just came home, so the dog's super excited, so that's part of my crazy life.
Speaker 1:Taking the handbrake off is often the thing that come up with people. They just say, oh, I feel like I'm going around in circles or in loops or stuff. I feel really stuck and there's something that I just yeah, and it's just like I don't know what do I need to? Differently and honestly, if I'm brutally honest, there are a lot of self-help books out there and there has been a huge wave of them that are around positive psychology and mindfulness and using your brain, which is part of the puzzle, but embodied internal wisdom, the energetic side of who we are. That part of us is multi-dimensional beings, not just a brain but a body and the energy and the emotions that come with that. You can do everything with your brain. It's amazing. Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1:I studied psychology and I love it. But there's other pieces and it's often that that unblocks things and takes the handbrake off. The people is going. You do know that you are more than, and you need to be expanding into those other parts of yourself to move forward, because it's that fuller expression of yourself that you're talking about, wanting to come out, and you're trying to make it all happen just using your brain. So, yeah, that's often where the handbrake comes off is people's light bulb goes off. There's a piece of them then leaving behind on the journey.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and so you're going to be doing the Tracto-Shiba Fistil. All right, you're going to be doing the internal dance workshop and I just wonder, like, how did you come to do this work if you can just share a little bit about yourself and maybe a personal story of what's on it for you?
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, look, it's a bit of a mixture between shamanic practice, embodiment practice and guided meditation. We'll also be doing some movement to make sure that we ground and land all of the works that we do, so it's a eclectic mix, this piece of work. Really, I think, if I'm my journey with this piece of work started about 10 years ago when, unfortunately, my husband passed away. He had a really aggressive form of cancer in the form of a brain tumor, and between diagnosis and him passing was a two-week period, like it was just super short. That's huge.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was life-changing for me in that it blew open my heart and made the grace did and it felt like I was connected to everything. And that was extremely difficult because the connection to self almost got lost in that process because it felt so big and I couldn't be in that space all of the time and just do my job and do the grocery shopping. I had to learn how to cook for one person. Again, the brake pads on my car still needed fixing. You have to do these. Things still need to get done.
Speaker 2:So it's kind of intense and beautiful. It's kind of griffus, is such a, as you say, it's like breaks your heart open. Well, there's beauty in it and pain in it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, some people like that. I don't know if you know Lee Harris's work. He talks about grief being the great transfer there and it really is, if you can be in it and feel the both sides of it, from that sort of expansion through grief to that disconnection, like losing my connection to self. I then went through a whole load of training. So I'd already done my shamanic training, but then I started doing feminine embodiment practices and working through the grief in my own body and releasing that, and from that I went into working with archetypes, which takes me into that masculine feminine space. So I had this amazing experience in Australia where I was working with the Mars archetype and through the journey and the embodied practice and the discussion that I had with my Mars Like I basically sent my Mars to Fiji for a holiday for a week because we'd gotten to the point where my masculine and feminine was so not working together. They were really in a very I wouldn't say toxic, but it was an outdated relationship within myself.
Speaker 2:And so from there, but if you're just for a moment like masculine and feminine, if you can define them, because it's quite a tricky place, you know, because sometimes going into these workshops, right, and I've done a lot of that and sometimes being judged has been too masculine, which really gets me Because I believe it's more about closed heart. But it's also like, if you can define this energy, just like, what do you actually mean by that?
Speaker 1:Well see, that's the thing right, how you have worked with your masculine energy and how I have worked with mine, and what that ends up looking like is going to be different for everybody. So in that workshop, where we were all working with the Mars, which is just one aspect of masculine everybody had different experiences. So that's what I'm actually trying to do in the workshop I'm running, is to say, let's have a look at where your masculine is and what it is doing and how you're relating to it and how is it showing up, so that people can actually understand that from them being the expert on themselves.
Speaker 2:Because it gives you my, so your, definition, because that's very important, right, when an expert on myself, it's not like someone telling me I'm too masculine to feminine or it's wrong somehow.
Speaker 1:It's kind of different what you're talking about, eh, yeah, and that, for me, is where the internal personal mapping of your own energy comes in, which is part of the workshop. Where is your masculine sitting? How are you working with it? Where is your feminine sitting? How are you working with it? Even as part of the journey or the guided meditation? What does it look like? You know, I've had everything show up when I've done this work with people from. It looks like a very exhausted warrior. To it looks like seven trainee magicians from Harry Potter, you know.
Speaker 2:Like very young.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, but there's like seven of them. Why is there seven of them, you know. So everybody's experience is going to be very different and but for me, if I were, if you pushed me and said what is your definition, I would say that the masculine we're moving towards is the masculine of the courageous heart.
Speaker 2:Right, courageous heart.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so my personal view is that the courageous heart, the masculine, is coming through from that space.
Speaker 2:The courageous heart. The courage implies being active engaged in life.
Speaker 1:Yes, and often the masculine energy is the doer, like, it's the energy that we engage to get things done out in the world and look up. The effort that I'm making is to try and seed out into the world. You know there's a lot of talk about changing structures out in the world Me, and that's all good, but how? But have you looked at your own Like? What's your internal structure? What's your internal energetics doing? How is that either supporting, reacting to or creating More of what you either want or you don't want? Because that's where our personal power is. The dichotomy that we have as human beings, as spiritual and physical beings, like the work to change the world, is internal. For me, that's my path. So how can you, if you want to change the structures in the world, if you want to see things being done differently, how do you get to know and get to work with your internal energetics, your internal energetic structures, differently, so that as you walk through the world, that's what you seed everywhere you go?
Speaker 2:This is luck. This is so beautiful Because for me I talk about when we look at our planet right, and we say, oh, planet is getting destroyed and we need to protect the planet, we need to protect the forest and the way I seed. Every time I judge myself and my body, my physicality, I'm actually contributing to destroying of the physical right. So the work is here Once I start loving this physicality, then I can love the other physicality right Of the whole world. But it was so often the focus still going and doing things outside, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So beautiful yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that is some people's paths. Some people's paths are the activists.
Speaker 1:In no way when I say, stop doing the external change and shouting from the rooftops when that's your path, but there is a piece that you need to like. I believe there is a piece that you need to do internally and that is and that again comes from from that moment of grief and expansion that I had, the journey has been back to a much deeper connection with myself. And the journey with myself and my own energetic map. Like how is my energy working? And like lots of ways that people look at that right Human design. We look at the chakras, that people work with the meridian lines. When you're working with acupuncture, there's lots of ways that people look at it, but they're often like the ideal.
Speaker 1:If everything is functioning perfectly, yeah, but how is? How is it for you and how are you experiencing it? How do you become the expert on yourself, get more connected with yourself and walk out into the world in that way, like I believe that there is a, there's almost like a balance point within our energetics. It's like we have a blueprint, we have an energetic blueprint or a map, and there is a balance point, almost like a center that is somewhere within our bodies and it isn't the same place for everybody. So are we coming from?
Speaker 1:Is the center point in the courageous masculine heart. Are we coming from that place? When we walk out into the world, we lead from there, or are we coming from a place in our navel that is in fear and are we leading with fear? Are we coming from the deep feminine, creative wisdom of our womb? Are we leading from there? Again, there is a right or a wrong, but I think this is like the moving parts of ourselves that we can get to be masters of. Why wouldn't you choose? Today? I need to come from a courageous, masculine today.
Speaker 2:I need to come from a blind. I'm going to do that today, wow.
Speaker 1:And the feminine.
Speaker 2:So the feminine is that in your development. Right Is the deep wisdom in the womb.
Speaker 1:Yeah, in the womb, in the bones. Feminine practices are very embodied practices. Very often, you know, we dance, we move. That is where some of us so some of us are feminine and emotional energy. I'm a big believer in somatic work and getting trauma out of the body through movement and breath and expression. I spent a long time on the floor ripping grief out of my lungs into somatic processes after my husband died. They would sometimes be all finished and I'd still be in the corner and they'd just be like just leave her, she's not done. And I wasn't and they gracefully allowed me the additional space that I needed. But it is that weaving together of these pieces of this.
Speaker 2:So they dance, huh yeah. They dance huh yeah Because for people who are listening to us and not watching this right, there's a lot of hand movement and kind of coming together. So I wonder this internal dance? So there's a dance between the feminine and masculine. I'm coming into bells like what else can you say about that?
Speaker 1:So that piece around, like we'll do a piece around movement to get us into our body. Then we will do a piece where we and we'll see on the day which wants to come forward first masculine or the feminine, we'll see and we'll do the connection to that and where is that? And then, and where do we want it, so people can move and play with that energy themselves. And we'll do that with feminine. Then we'll look at how they're working together and then we'll dance that in or move that in, like you do not need to be a great dancer to do this. Like you can stamp your feet for all I care for five minutes. If it works for you like, go for it. Because it is then about we've worked with the energy. How do we ground it?
Speaker 1:Grounding is a massive piece of my work, but, great believer in grounding, I'll be one of the only healers that people see around about. That makes people sit on chairs with their feet on the floor and doesn't use a table, Just because that's how I work is like you ground first, then I'll work with you because I believe in that. A friend of mine says this life is a foreign game. Right, it's not a spiritual game. It's a foreign game. We are matter, we are matter.
Speaker 2:Coming into the physical body. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So how do we align all parts of self? And this journey, this dance, this internal dance of the masculine and feminine, for me is part of that alignment different parts of self. It's part of the journey to understanding ourselves as more multi-dimensional beings. There's a lot of talking again, moving from three to four to five D. Where is the earth? She's probably at about 16, 17 D From my perspective at the moment. Like she's way ahead of us and we're worried about her and a guy has got way ahead of us but it's like we're running to catch up and she's way ahead of us.
Speaker 1:But it's that like how can I bring a piece of work to the festival that allows people to experience more of themselves, more of those parts of self, and bring those into alignment with the way that they want to move forward, find that, like I said, that balance point in themselves. The new one that they're going to create right, the beauty of it will be individual. They'll find that new balance point and then they will dance from that space. So they walk out of the room and into the rest of the day and hopefully the week and the month and the year, coming from that new space. Like I said, take the handbrake off. Look at what those internal relationships are doing. I found that. Do you mind if I share this?
Speaker 2:Of course, I'm not sure what you're going to share.
Speaker 1:What I realized was that my feminine was very scared and wanted to be safe and in that, was demanding control from my masculine. So my masculine was trying to control all of the risks completely unobtainable. We can't control chaos, it's part of nature but my feminine was demanding this of my masculine that was desperately trying to provide that for me, especially with the things that I have lived through loss, grief, the kind of jobs that I've done. I've worked with gangs, I've worked in probation, I've worked with youth at risk.
Speaker 2:That's a lot of fun to do, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're always looking at that no-transcript. And what needed to happen was I needed to have a conversation with my feminine saying you can have safety, but you can have stability. You can have stability in your energetics. So, no matter what happens around you, you will be stable in yourself.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you'll be stable in yourself and your masculine my masculine can support that piece, but it's done in trying to protect you from the chaos of the world. It's impossible. It's an unreasonable request, and that was the dynamic that was going on inside of me this unreasonable dance, this unreasonable context.
Speaker 2:That was cool, man. It's like the unreasonable request. I love it because when I wake with women, right and safety is a big piece and of course, like I believe there are no control freaks it's more people who really feel deeply unsafe in their body, in themselves. But that unreasonable expectation of this unconditional love and complete safety and how can I be feeling safe in the relationship? And if I'm not, I'm going to close my head down and it feels so unreasonable but it's kind of really difficult to actually talk to people about that.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, and I think that if from that moment where I lost my husband, which was just like a chaos, moment then I went through my transition, through my grief process. Then I was living in Australia, in the Blue Mountains, during the time of the big fires. So we had seven months of fire and I was basically trapped because the fires were coming from North and South towards where I lived.
Speaker 1:So we did seven months of that. Then we had COVID, which was a relief because the fires had stopped and I could go outside without choking on the smoke, which was really nice, but again more chaos that was coming from the outside. And now I live in Hawke's Bay, in Napier, and we have the side clothes. Why are you just going to mix lads? Yeah, so life has really thrown me all of the chaos, and it was the test. Now you've learnt this Can you stay stable in yourself, not safe?
Speaker 2:because there'll be electricity.
Speaker 1:And can you understand that different kind of safe? It's a new definition of safe and it doesn't come from trying to control everything which is meant to be moving and flowing. Fires in Australia did destroy and they brought new life. Like you, have to understand that I'm a teeny tiny speck in the universe and that all of these things are interdependent. And they're not interdependent in a way that I direct, they're just interdependent and sometimes I just have to get out of the way and accept it and find my own path through the chaos.
Speaker 2:But then let's kind of keep your heart open, because that's the big piece. Like I'm stabling myself and I can keep my heart open because there's so much talk about well, I've been hurt and I'm closing down. It's not safe for me, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that then comes back to do you have your own back, like when things are down. Do you know you can rely on yourself no matter what else happens? Which, again, for me, has come back to that relationship between my masculine and feminine. Does my feminine have my masculine back when he's out there being courageous in the world giving something to me, and does my masculine have my feminine back when she is deep in the process to try to burst something into, even into the imagination of myself, like yeah, I just really like now, really want us to have an experience a little better.
Speaker 2:Can you give us a little test of actually what it means to bring those aspects into alignment? Ooh, ooh.
Speaker 1:It is a big piece of work to go deep into those spaces, but what I would say is the easier piece is do you want to do this with me? Mm-hmm Cool. All right I think you've got your feet on the floor.
Speaker 2:I know I've done the floor All right.
Speaker 1:So let's start there right. So I always say we grab first. So when you feel your feet on the floor and just breathe normally we don't have to do any breaths. What I want you to feel is the soles of your feet on the floor, and I want you to know that beneath the soles of your feet, there is an energy center called the Earth Star Shakra, that connects you to Mother Earth, to Gaia, and that that energy center is a communication point between her and you. It is supportive, and that everything that we do today is going to be grounded down into that energy center. Any changes that happen today you do not hold alone, but you hold in partnership with Gaia.
Speaker 1:And from this space I want you to scan from your feet up. So just slowly think, from the soles of your feet, where is a point that you hit and instinctively know oh, this is my balance point, this is the point where I am leading out into the world. It could be as low as your feet, but allow the energy, just that scan of like. Where am I leading? Where is my balance point? And is that question, where is my balance point? And to scale that through your body, up through your legs into your hips and just when you find it if you find it, because we're doing this quite quickly, let's say it feels like it's here, like where does your balance, your balance point, feel like it is it feels in my lower belly but almost like in my sexual sense, because that's the way I do, I work with sexuality.
Speaker 2:It's really calling me and I'm trying to no lift it and be like it's in my sexual center. There it is, yeah.
Speaker 1:So it's like knowing that and knowing that that is your balance point and obviously this is work that you do all the time. You are leading into that space from there and for me, that is the point where I'm probably where you're masculine and feminine and communicating. So we grounded it into the earth, so that's the point where you and mother earth are communicating. That balance point is where you're masculine and feminine, are likely communicating Well, and that may be where you live 90% of the time. The question then becomes are you happy with the way that they are working, and is there any time that you would shift that? Maybe it's not, but that would start to be the journey that I would encourage people to look at. But just knowing that that is my balance point and I walk into the world and I lead from there is a really useful piece of information to know about ourselves, because that's how we lead ourselves. It's kind of like a place of unit there.
Speaker 2:Like then I can, with my intention, come to the heart and it feels quite different from the heart and it's almost like the masculine feels in the solar plexus.
Speaker 1:So is it power center there? And so some people like, depending on how connected we are to certain parts of our own souls, home and things like that, the solar plexus can be really powerful for people. You've seen that I've been moving my hands around a lot. I'm trying to stop a little bit making everything move. But I often feel my masculine comes out through my hands Like it's the doing, it's the making, it's the shaping of what comes up and through me and it out into the world. So sometimes I feel like the balance point shifts up into my throat because it's the thing that has been created that then has been put out into the world. It's coming from here. So like that's for me is like an interesting dance. Again, where is it normally? Can you move it? When would you do that? So it's again self connection, self knowledge, and then can you be intentional about how you're doing these things, how you are living?
Speaker 2:right now, when you do it, sir.
Speaker 1:And, yeah, we talk a lot about sovereignty. I'm writing a book about that at the moment and trying to say, like sovereignty is getting self connection and clarity, so that you know that how you will walk out into the world is truly, you know, un-mandeeped. Maybe is that is a simple word of putting it. I am clearing the end and making choices from that space, whether it's here, whether it's the room, the heart. You know, for some of us we are going to be more intellectual and it's going to be the head. So, yeah, that's just a little tiny piece of the work that I would do. I love it.
Speaker 2:I feel like it just kind of goes up and down. It's so cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and for each person who does this work, they find like that's why I enjoyed in the guided meditation part or the shamanic journey part of it. A bit of a picture is. Everyone will see their own piece. I won't be describing what you see. You will see it like you just felt that yourself. Somebody else listening to this they'll have had a different experience and none of them are wrong, and that's the point.
Speaker 2:That's an important piece yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think there's some famous books that talk about you know, not your good room, and it's like, well, you know, I feel like that time is a little bit over. We're not teaching people how to be their own best, wisest self and self led, when not moving past. You know the mass belief of anything, and it is that that will change things. The choices that we make as individuals will change the world.
Speaker 2:Beautiful. It's lovely listening to you, it's so good to hang out with you here. I wonder, claire, what would be if you connect to the audience right now? What would be the message to them? Like, what could you say? Like, as all last words.
Speaker 1:And is that like If I would encourage anyone to do anything? It is to walk the journey of self-connection and to find the divine in yourself, like. That, for me, is the journey of this life. It's a constant growth and spiritual path and that is, for me, a mixture between the masculine some of the masculine spiritual practices and the feminine spiritual practices. Is how do you know all of those parts of yourself and how do you find that divine in you? It's there, it's in everything. And self-connection. I think, yeah, it's the way. The way.
Speaker 1:That's it. How do we grow if we don't know ourselves? I work with a spiritual team. I have an amazing, very amusing, sometimes very straight up, straight fucking set of beings that I work with and the biggest lesson they ever taught me was that I could stand alongside them as an equal and actually any one of us who wasn't there. The work can't be done. So they were sort of like stop playing so small and do the work, otherwise we don't get to do it and we're waiting for you and that ego death of like I'm not big, I'm not small, I'm just the same and I need to step in so we can do what we're here to do. It was a beautiful journey for me and a beautiful past, and without doing the work to get to know myself, I would never have gotten there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, beautiful. Yeah, just do the work, huh yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:How can people find more about you? Is they interested in what you do At the?
Speaker 1:moment, the best place to find me is on Facebook. Really chat and have a look. I've been a bit quiet the last couple of months. I have bought a house in a beautiful spot and I've been trying to wrestle that into submission over the summer, so it's been a bit quiet, but that's where I am and that's where people can find me. I'm really launching my website, but Facebook for now is the best place.
Speaker 2:Only one note in the show notes? Yeah Well, thank you so much, claire, and I can't wait to go to your workshop. I'll definitely be there.
Speaker 1:I think they're going to be yours at the weekend we can.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I thought you were going to clash, but you can't. Oh, yeah, eden Festival, of course you said that. Okay, so thank you so much. And to the listeners and the ones who watch, thank you so much for being here with us and we hope to see you at the Shaktashiwa Festival. So yeah, come talk to us, ask questions.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. Thank you very much, toreisha. Oh, we'll see you soon, thank you. Thank you, vamp05.